Curse

blue.rellik · Sep 26, 2007, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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After Primordus, the other great dragons began to stir one by one. The rise of the dragon beneath Orr caused the entire continent to surface, sparking a tidal wave that swept the coastline and drowned thousands. In the deepest waters of the sea, another dragon breathed, twisting the waters themselves into tentacled horrors that rose from every lake and river of the land. Only a few years ago, yet another dragon erupted from the northern mountains and flew south over the Charr territory of Ascalon. The land directly below the path of the dragon’s flight was corrupted, becoming a crater of horror. The ground blackened from the dragon's presence and any creatures caught within the wind of its breath twisted and changed.

Although these creatures are called dragons, they are as different from Kuunavang and Glint as night to day—more powerful, older, born of different, unfathomable magic, these horrors are controlled by no god nor any other power known to the races of Tyria. What connection they have to these "younger dragons" is unknown, but they certainly do not possess the mercy or familiarity with the sentient races of the world that Kuunavang or Glint portray. The cycle of their awakening reaches back to the time of the giganticus lupicus, and even further, back into prehistory. The only thing known about these monsters is that they have no pity, no curiosity—no concern at all for the other races of the world. Their only goal seems to be to dominate, to control, and to destroy.

So they are like...two sets of gods? Or maybe those ruled by Menzies and Dhuum?

Speaking of that, I wonder if Dhuum and Menzies are still giving Grenth and Balthazar grief

Malchior · Sep 26, 2007, 07:26 AM // 07:26

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Originally Posted by Eldin

My basic thoughts:

Cantha

Face it, Factions sucked, Cantha sucked. I don't care if we drop a bomb on them. It was doomed from the start.

Elona

It is sad that an order as great as the Sunspears has neared its end, if not most of Elona itself. Still, it's kind of cool knowing Palawa Joko actually made progress after he ran off at the end of Nightfall.

Ascalon

Poor Ascalon. ANet just really is obsessed with this whole "Charr win. Ascalon LOSE. Ascalon go BOOM. Ascalon go BOOM again, though this time in terms of population (and going down)." Still, Prophecies pretty much proved Kryta to be the last bastion of humanity, and GW2 will continue that tradition, that Kryta truly is one of few safe remaining lands.

GW2 is turning a bit too WoWish. We know how this works out...

Human and Charr fight, blah blah blah:

Alliance: Human, sylvari?
Horde: Charr, Norn
Neutral: Asura

It's WoW but with THREE factions! :O

Then big bad dragon comes along, oh noes, we must team up, kill dragon, no progress made, next day we hate each other again. Nothing special happened.

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I basically want:

-Ascalon to be rebuilt
-The races to stop being gay and not trusting one another
-The dwarves to return
-Elona to not be so...well...screwed
-Cantha to be more destroyed than it is now! I HATE CANTHA!

No way, Canthan ruled. I don't care much for Elona, lol.

doinchi · Sep 26, 2007, 08:52 AM // 08:52

This has taken me quite some time to put together so here goes...

In The Beggining, there were 5 Gods and 5 Dragons. (5 Dragons were mentioned in the article, and I smell a Good VS Evil match up here.) These Gods and Dragons were in possession of extremely powerful raw magick. They were capable of creating Life. Now the Dragons were not all too keen on the idea of sharing a planet with equally powerful Beings, so they set out to destroy the Gods. An epic battle ensued and the Dragons were defeated. Defeated but not killed as they were immortals like the Gods. They were imprisoned beneath the earth, ice and oceans.

Now before the Dragons were defeated, they used their raw magick to create lesser dragons, like Kuunvang and Glint. The 5 Gods found this young race and instead of starting from scratch, decided to use them to protect their new world.

Then the Humans were created and then the rest, most of use would already know...

Now what I want to clarify is that Dhuum was one of the First 5 Gods, but was replaced by Grenth, who may have been one of his earlier creations or a powerful dragon that overthrew him for his harsh rule as lord of the underworld. As for Abbadon, I don't think he was a True God seeing as in Nightfall, our heros, mere mortals could defeat him.

blue.rellik · Sep 26, 2007, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by doinchi

This has taken me quite some time to put together so here goes...

In The Beggining, there were 5 Gods and 5 Dragons. (5 Dragons were mentioned in the article, and I smell a Good VS Evil match up here.) These Gods and Dragons were in possession of extremely powerful raw magick. They were capable of creating Life. Now the Dragons were not all too keen on the idea of sharing a planet with equally powerful Beings, so they set out to destroy the Gods. An epic battle ensued and the Dragons were defeated. Defeated but not killed as they were immortals like the Gods. They were imprisoned beneath the earth, ice and oceans.

Now before the Dragons were defeated, they used their raw magick to create lesser dragons, like Kuunvang and Glint. The 5 Gods found this young race and instead of starting from scratch, decided to use them to protect their new world.

Then the Humans were created and then the rest, most of use would already know...

Now what I want to clarify is that Dhuum was one of the First 5 Gods, but was replaced by Grenth, who may have been one of his earlier creations or a powerful dragon that overthrew him for his harsh rule as lord of the underworld. As for Abbadon, I don't think he was a True God seeing as in Nightfall, our heros, mere mortals could defeat him.

He was liked chained down for thousands of years, which restricted a large amount of his power. He was stated time and time and time and time and and time and time and time and and time and time and time and and time and time and time and and time and time and time and and time and time and time and and time and time and time and and time and time and time and time again that he was the sixth god.

What more do you need? How hard he was to defeat is irrelevant to lore, it's for gameplay purpose which is why he's not as strong as he could be.

draxynnic · Sep 26, 2007, 11:04 AM // 11:04

There's also Menzies, which makes a 7th - he may not technically be a god, but being Balthazar's brother, he would presumably have been around. Although, as a piece of wild speculation... maybe Menzies was actually the god Abaddon replaced, casting him down the way Grenth cast down Dhuum before turning bad himself?

And given that so many of the gods (and family members of gods) have gone bad over the course of history, could it be that one (or more) of the original dragons were good and Glint and Kuunie are their descendants?

doinchi · Sep 26, 2007, 11:19 AM // 11:19

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He was liked chained down for thousands of years, which restricted a large amount of his power. He was stated time and time and time and time and and time and time and time and and time and time and time and and time and time and time and and time and time and time and and time and time and time and and time and time and time and and time and time and time and time again that he was the sixth god.

What more do you need? How hard he was to defeat is irrelevant to lore, it's for gameplay purpose which is why he's not as strong as he could be.

No need to get worked up. I missed that point about Abbadon being the sixth god. I actually have other things to do so forgive me for that mistake. About "how hard he was to defeat", I NEVER stated he was not a true god because he was EASY to defeat. I felt that he was not a true god because we DID defeat him. What more do I need? No more, I made a mistake, thanks for clarifying.

So, yes, I was wrong about Abbadon, but what I offered was just my 2 cents. I just felt I did not need to put a disclaimer about this being MY own thoughts.

Menzies was indeed Balthazar's half brother, but it was never clearly stated if he was a god or not. He does not seem to have a major role in the main stories, if that any indication oh his God/Not status. I would guess that he was not a god.

This makes me wonder, how does a god have a Brother? Same parents? Do Gods have parents? A higher God? That would make the 6 Gods siblings!

Or were Balthazar and Menzies mortal brothers? Balthazar defeating the previous God of War and taking over, while his jealous brother turned against him and tried to overthrow him?

I know Menzies probably has little to do with this forum topic, but I thought I'd just put it in, because it may be a clue to the origins of a God.

doinchi · Sep 26, 2007, 11:21 AM // 11:21

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

So they are like...two sets of gods? Or maybe those ruled by Menzies and Dhuum?

Speaking of that, I wonder if Dhuum and Menzies are still giving Grenth and Balthazar grief

Maybe they overthrew Balthazar and Grenth?

draxynnic · Sep 26, 2007, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by doinchi

Maybe they overthrew Balthazar and Grenth?

That would certainly explain why the goddesses are silent - they're busy keeping Menzies and Dhuum from causing trouble.

Or... you know...

Mordakai · Sep 26, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27

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EDIT: As an afterthought, having read the article finally, it seems there are five dragons that have arisen so far, right? There are the three we already knew about: Primordius who reigns below ground, driving out the Asurans; Drakkar who reigns in the north, driving out the Norn; and the water dragon in the Charr homelands who terrorizes the east where the Charr and Ascalonians live (he seems to also be known as the "desert dragon" according to the article. The other two are the dragon who caused Orr to rise who is perhaps supposed to be the most powerful one and the fifth dragon lies under the oceans creating evil tentacled creatures to terrorize the seas... Or are those last two supposed to be one and the same?

The article states that one dragon raises Orr, and another rises from the deep sea causing tentacles (!?). Sounds to me like two separate dragons, although frankly the Deep Sea dragon needs to be better thought out IMO.

The Charr "water" dragon (so named because the picture was named that in the fansite kit) could be the one in the Crystal Desert, as it did fly south.

BTW, where did this idea there were only 5 dragons come from? Did I miss something?

EDIT: Never mind, people are just counting the number of dragon that appear in the article. In that case, it's either 5 or 6, counting Primordus and depending on whether the Charr dragon is separate or the same as the desert dragon.

1 up and 2 down · Sep 26, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

I really like the lore. I am a bit depressed that Cantha(my favorite nation) has been taken over by a Nazi like leader. It's also sad that Istan and,I think, Kourna have become nothing but vassals to Palawa Joko.

Mordakai · Sep 26, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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I really like the lore. I am a bit depressed that Cantha(my favorite nation) has been taken over by a Nazi like leader. It's also sad that Istan and,I think, Kourna have become nothing but vassals to Palawa Joko.

The best stories start out in the direst of circumstances.

As long as we have a chance to save Cantha, Elonia, and yes, even Ascalon (Ebonhawke gives me hope!) the GW2 will be fine.

Malchior · Sep 26, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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I really like the lore. I am a bit depressed that Cantha(my favorite nation) has been taken over by a Nazi like leader. It's also sad that Istan and,I think, Kourna have become nothing but vassals to Palawa Joko.

I know! Cantha rules.

But, it's my best guess that a short time after GW2 has been out and we've made a little progress on the main story arcs, we might somehow gain access to cantha or elona in expansions to the game.

Maybe then we will be able to pick from 2 more playable races, such as the tengu, per expansion.

That would be seriously awesome, and could be possible seeing as the only reason we can't travel from tyria is due to the corsairs on RoF islands and the dragon army on Orr. If those were taken care of, or at least beaten to a certain point, then travel would be possible and we would so pwn up the emperor! He's a damn fool! WHY couldn't he have used the massive army, ALONG with the kurzick and luxon forces to battle the dragons. Before they left they could have smashed the heck out of the jade brotherhood and such fools to ensure canthas safety on their departure, lol.

Mister_Abc · Sep 27, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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